Last June 21, the CCP VAMD presented History as Material, an online artists' talk with Pio Abad and Norberto Roldan. History as Material aimed to look into these artists' respective practices, and to present a productive conversation on "what now?". History as Material is presented as a public program in line with the current 21AM exhibition, The Collection of Jane Ryan and William Saunders: Jewelry in Augmented Reality by Pio Abad and Frances Wardsworth Jones.